I intend to solve Ax = b where A is complex, sparse, unsymmetric and highly ill-conditioned (condition number ~ 1E+20) square or rectangular matrix. I have been able to solve the system with ZGELSS in LAPACK accurately. But as the degrees of freedom in my system grow, it takes a long time to solve the system on a PC with ZGELSS as the sparsity is not exploited. Recently I tried SuperLU (using Harwell-Boeing storage) for the same system but the results were inaccurate for condition number > 1E+12 (I am not sure if this is a numerical issue with the pivoting).

I am more inclined towards using already developed solvers. Is there a robust solver which can solve the system I mentioned quickly (i.e. exploiting the sparsity) and reliably (in view of the condition numbers)?

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    $\begingroup$ Can you precondition it? If so, Krylov subspace methods could be effective. Even if you insist on direct methods, preconditioning will help control numerical errors. $\endgroup$ Apr 27 '13 at 7:50
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    $\begingroup$ I also made good experience with preconditioning pretty much the way it is described here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… You can do the preconditioning in exact arithmetic. My matrices however are all dense, so cannot point you to more specific methods/routines here. $\endgroup$
    – AlexE
    Apr 27 '13 at 10:24
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    $\begingroup$ Why is the condition number so large? Perhaps the formulation can be improved to make the system better conditioned? In general, you cannot expect to be able to evaluate a residual more accurately than $(\text{machine precision})\cdot(\text{condition number})$, which makes Krylov of little value once you have run out of bits. If the condition number is really $10^{20}$, you should use quad precision (__float128 with GCC, supported by a few packages including PETSc). $\endgroup$
    – Jed Brown
    Apr 27 '13 at 14:19
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    $\begingroup$ Where are you getting this condition number estimate from? If you ask Matlab to estimate the condition number of a matrix with a null space, it might give you infinity or sometimes it might just give you a really huge number (like what you have). If the system you're looking at has a null space and you know what it is, you can project it out and what you're left with might have a better condition number. Then you can use PETSc or Trilinos or what have you. $\endgroup$ Apr 27 '13 at 15:58
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    $\begingroup$ Daniel- the truncated SVD method used by ZGELSS determines the null space (the singular vectors associated with tiny singular values in the SVD are a basis for N(A)) and finds the least squares solution to $\min \| Ax-b \|$ over $perp(N(A))$. $\endgroup$ Apr 27 '13 at 20:56

When you use ZGELSS to sovle this problem, you're using the truncated singular value decomposition to regularize this extremely ill-conditioned problem. it's important to understand that this library routine is not attempting to find a least squares solution to $Ax=b$, but rather it is attempting to balance finding a solution that minimizes $\| x \|$ against minimizing $\| Ax-b \|$.

Note that the parameter RCOND passed to ZGELSS can be used to specify which singular values should be included and excluded from the computation of the solution. Any singular value less than RCOND*S(1) (S(1) is the largest singular value) will be ignored. You haven't told us how you've set the RCOND parameter in ZGELSS, and we no nothing about the noise level of the coefficients in your $A$ matrix or in the right hand side $b$, so it's hard to say whether you've used an appropriate amount of regularization.

You do seem to be happy with the regularized solutions that you're getting with ZGELSS, so it appears that the regularization effected by the truncated SVD method (which finds a minimum $\| x \|$ solution among the least squares solutions that minimize $\| Ax-b \|$ over the space of solutions spanned by the singular vectors associated with the singular values larger than RCOND*S(1)) is satisfactory to you.

Your question could be reformulated as "How can I efficiently obtained regularized least squares solutions to this large, sparse, and very ill-conditioned linear least squares problem?"

My recommendation would be to use an iterative method (such as CGLS or LSQR) to minimize the explicitly regularized least squares problem

$\min \| Ax-b \|^{2} + \alpha^{2} \| x \|^{2}$

where the regularization parameter $\alpha$ is adjusted so that the damped least squares problem is well conditioned and so that you're happy with the resulting regularized solutions.

  • $\begingroup$ My apologies for not mentioning this at the outset. The problem being solved is Helmholtz equation of acoustics using FEM. The system is poorly conditioned because of the plane wave basis used to approximate the solution. $\endgroup$
    – user1234
    Apr 28 '13 at 2:58
  • $\begingroup$ Where do the coefficients in $A$ and $b$ come from? Are they measured data? "exact" values from the design of some object (that in practice can't be machined to tolerances that are 15 digits...)? $\endgroup$ Apr 28 '13 at 3:35
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    $\begingroup$ The matrices A and b are formed using the weak formulation of Helmholtz PDE, see: asadl.org/jasa/resource/1/jasman/v119/i3/… $\endgroup$
    – user1234
    Apr 28 '13 at 4:09

Jed Brown has already pointed this out in the comments to the question, but there is really not very much you can do in usual double precision if your condition number is large: in most cases, you will likely not get a single digit of accuracy in your solution and, worse, you can't even tell because you can't accurately evaluate the residual corresponding to your solution vector. In other words: it's not a question of which linear solver you should choose -- no linear solver can do something useful for such matrices.

These sort of situations typically happen because you choose an unsuitable basis. For example, you get such ill-conditioned matrices if you chose the functions $1,x,x^2,x^3,...$ as the basis of a Galerkin method. (This leads to the Hilbert matrix, which is notoriously badly conditioned.) The solution in such cases is not to ask which solver can solve the linear system, but ask whether there are better bases that can be used. I would encourage you to do the same: think about reformulating your problem so that you don't end up with these kinds of matrices.

  • $\begingroup$ When discretizing an ill-posed problem for a PDE, e.g. backward heat equation, definitely we will end up with an ill-conditioned matrix equation. This is not the case that we can solve by re-formulating the equation or choosing an efficient matrix solver or improving precision in floating point number. In this case [i.e. acoustic inverse problems], a regularization method is required. $\endgroup$
    – tqviet
    Nov 17 '16 at 18:19

The simplest/fastest way to solve ill-conditioned problems is to increase precision of computations (by brute force). Another (yet not always possible) way is to re-formulate your problem.

You might need to use quadruple precision (34 decimal digits). Even though 20 digits will be lost in a course (because of condition number) you will still get 14 correct digits.

If it is of any interest, now quad-precision sparse solvers are available in MATLAB too.

(I am the author of the mentioned toolbox).


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